E13: Rimfire Guns

E13: Rimfire Guns

Hosts Aaron and Jonathan are joined by Robert Swartley of Talon Arms for a general overview discussion of rimfire cartridges and their place in survival.

Rimfire guns are becoming extremely popular as ammunition costs have gone through the roof. In addition, what more and more people are learning is that shooting low caliber rimfire guns as practice directly translates to high-powered cartridges.

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Episode 13 is a primer to rimfire.


  • Rimfire handguns.
  • Semi-automatic rimfire rifles.
  • The Ruger 10/22 and why we love it.
  • Bolt Action rifles.
  • Why the .22lr is such a popular survival round.
  • Take-down .22lr rifles.
  • Tube fed vs magazine-fed rifles.


By |2016-10-15T00:15:54+00:00April 25th, 2011|Urban Survival Podcast Episodes|8 Comments

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In his free time, Aaron enjoys hogging the remote, surfing, scotch, mental masturbation and debate over philosophical topics, and shooting stuff--usually not all at the same time.


  1. Matt P April 26, 2011 at 8:21 am - Reply

    On hunting rabbits with .22lr, I have a Sig Mosquito, which is the mostly full size copy of the P-226 in .22lr only.
    Last October while dove hunting I noticed that at dawn and dusk rabbits would be out along our path, so on the last hunt I stuck my Mosquito in my pocket (haven’t found a holster yet) and figured I could try for a bunny. While walking back to the buck house I was treated with a line of about six rabbits standing along the road about 25 meters apart.
    Unfortunately, it took about 15 rounds to get one bunny and that was the third rabbit down the road.
    I learned a few lessons that may be helpful to others;
    1. If you are going to use a handgun for hunting ground animals like squirrels, rabbits, ground hogs, etc. practice shooting downward with your pistol. On the rabbit I actually shot, it took five shots to hit the bunny at about 10 meters; my rounds were impacting on a straight line above and below the bunny. Of course, this may just be “rabbit fever” lol.
    2. If you stay calm and move slowly, you can sneak up to within 10-15 meters of the animal and get off follow up shots if you miss. Fear in animals is a learned trait. I was the first person to take a rabbit from the ranch we were on, so the rabbits were not afraid of humans…like the doves and deer are.
    3. Be prepared to chase down the rabbit. I placed the shot right into the left shoulder, the round passed through the heart and exited (exploded really) through the right shoulder, but the bunny still ran 30 meters under a mesquite bush. We had a dog with us (just walking, not working) and he was happy to chase the rabbit for us, which made recovery a lot easier.

  2. Matt P April 26, 2011 at 8:35 am - Reply

    On .22lr pistols, I own the SIG Mosquito and I am pleased with it. Robert was right about the ammo sensitivity. My gun will feed most of the high-end ammunition that is sold in the plastic holders like CCI, but it will not feed most value (cheap) bullets like federal, Remington Thunderbolt, and others. The one value round that my gun does like is Remington Golden Bullets. Rarely does my pistol have a problem this ammo, most of the issues I have is with the ammunition. In a box of 525, I normally have 10-12 rounds that will not fire no matter how many times the striker hits the rim, even after the round is rotated so the striker hits a different part of the rim. The other reoccurring issues are light loads. Once or twice per value box I get super light recoil, I have not had a lodged round yet, but it is enough to make me call over a range officer to make sure my barrel is clear.
    Maybe you all should talk about the different kinds of ammunition available in .22lr. You can discuss the differences in muzzle velocity between short barreled revolvers, standard length pistols, and the 10/22. Also, you could discuss the use of subsonic ammunition with suppressors, practical uses of CCI .22lr shot shells (I know Bass Pro Shop sells them) and the different kinds of bullet shapes and their jackets.

    Keep up the good work.

    • Aaron Frankel April 26, 2011 at 10:12 am - Reply

      Hey Matt P,

      We will be doing another show on the topic and go into more depth.

      • Matt P April 27, 2011 at 9:15 am - Reply

        I found this site a while ago, http://www.theboxotruth.com/index.htm
        These guys take some of the most popular rounds and show their penetration.
        Some of their test are interesting and resolve some of the urban legends like frangible ammunition will not pass through drywall, hollow point ammunition will not penetrate thick winter clothing, or that shooting a lock open is simple.

        P.S. Today I will begin CERT class at Cy-Fair College. Thanks for the introducing the program in show one.

  3. Rick April 27, 2011 at 5:35 pm - Reply

    Thanks for this great podcast. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to talk about the “lowly .22”. Up until ammo costs went thru the roof, the .22 was the moped (fun to ride but not to be seen on one) of the shooting world. Everyone loved to shoot it but few actually talked about it much.

    My rimfire stable includes:
    – Walther P22 First Edition set with both long and short barrels – very fun. I see a suppressor in the near future for this one…
    – Ruger Single Six (22LR and 22WMR)
    – my dads old JC Higgins single shot bolt action (still shoots truer than any other at 50 yards)
    – Cold War era Romanian Trainer (bolt action with 5 round box mag – bought it for $69 at a gun show in un-issued condition about 10 years ago.)
    -Taurus Tracker .17HMR

    I’ve been thinking about getting a conversion kit/upper for my Stag AR-15 and/or my 1911 but probably will hold off on the 1911 since I already have 2 other .22 handguns.

    I had a mini revolver for a couple of years but made the mistake of selling it in a weak moment. Still wish I had that one. It was the one that had a belt buckle “holster”.

    If you do a future podcast on rimfires do you think you could provide some info on the KelTec PMR 30. http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/

    Keep up the great work.


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  5. James June 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm - Reply

    Great Podcast!
    Another fact to keep in mind is that by having a .22LR upper on the .223 Rifle is that now you have two guns. and if you need to say, shoot a bunny or a squirrel you can now actually recover something instead of disintegrating the small quarry like you would with the .223 rifle.
    And it looks cool! 🙂

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