//E129: Being a Good Shepherd

E129: Being a Good Shepherd

In this episode, hosts Aaron and Jason unveil a new ITRH concept. It all begins with a question: Can a world survive with only sheep, sheepdogs, and the wolves?

You see, Lt. Col Dave Grossman first popularized the notion of sheepdogs: They live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.

There are also sheep: They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident. This is where most people fit into three part concept.

Then there are the wolves: They wolves feed on the sheep without mercy.

But this leaves a whole in the structure of our society. And when a sheepdog is left unattended by s shepherd they eventually revert to being wolves.

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A good shepherd must guide a sheepdog. They must give the sheepdog his boundaries, teach him right from wrong, give him responsibilities, tell him exactly what his job is and is not, and keep him from hurting the sheep.

A good shepherd must also understand the place of the wolf in the wild. But that wolf must be kept away from the flock. That flock must not be caged to the point of suffocation in the name of protecting it from the wolf.

What we’ve forgotten here is this: The government is NOT the shepherd. The government is just another sheepdog. We are the shepherd. Yet, we’ve let the wolves take our place as we become the sheep.

So join us as we discuss:

  • How your money was spent in 2014
  • Patriot Act Section 215
  • DEA Spying for decades longer than the NSA
  • Sheep, Sheepdogs, Wolves
  • The missing shepherd
  • Reclaiming Liberty
  • Active resistance to tyranny
  • Passive resistance to tyranny
  • Special show announcements
  • The formation of an ITRH Roving Horde Supporting Members program
  • Season 5 “Reloaded”
  • Bonus ITRH Summer Shorts

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  1. Kyle April 20, 2015 at 11:20 am - Reply

    On Season 8 of my Stargate binge! Great episode

    • Aaron Frankel April 20, 2015 at 11:41 pm - Reply

      Haha. Good to know there’s at least one more Stargate geek in the audience, Kyle.

  2. Joel April 20, 2015 at 6:21 pm - Reply

    Loved the humour in this episode!! Was hard keeping myself from laughing out loud on the bus.

    About membership, fees, and services to keep ITRH funded, did you think of making an app? I noticed there are not many prepper apps out there and you guys have so much info that it would make a great resource and prepping tool. I would pay for some survival CHI in my pocket

    • Aaron Frankel April 20, 2015 at 11:45 pm - Reply

      Thanks for the good words, Joel. Seems we’re getting our groove back.

      And that’s a good idea on the app. We toyed with the idea a few years ago. Maybe once we get the membership program settled we’ll revisit that; making a note now.

  3. Shep April 22, 2015 at 5:08 am - Reply

    Hey guys,

    Big fan, from over the water in the UK.

    How about diversifying to international issues, particularly survival hurdles that differ from the US. I know there must be lots of other listeners over seas, and things change pretty rapidly when you escape the US. I’m in the process of moving my family to a more self-sustaining life in the UK, and thats a TOUGH thing to do these days with the excessive control measures that cover us all.

    We’re a country in political uproar, with some scary political prospects ahead, we’re on the edge of economic collapse (which ties in with the stuff you discussed in Episode 128), and I’m pretty confident that in the not too distant future, more people ever here will be throng the ‘Bug Out’ term about, as it’s a pretty underused concept at the mo. Our environment, smaller landmass, and importantly, NO firearms in household makes urban, or wilderness survival in times of a serious fallout quite a complex thing, and something I’ve been thinking about ALOT.

    Insight form you guys would be excellent.

    I’d be happy to add some insight form a man who is actually trying to prep over here, but could also hook up with people win current law enforcement etc etc. It’s a pretty different life in the UK, to the US, and other European countries differ even further.

    Would love to see more geographical expansion.

    As for membership – Access to past series in a streaming format, rather than the Gigabites of downloads, Member-only webinars/Q&A’s, maybe a top-tier option for some one-on-one syke/etc conversations with you guys to pick your brains?

    Big love!


    • Aaron Frankel April 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm - Reply

      Howdy Shep,

      You raise a really good point here about international issues. Maybe we need an ITRH World Roving Horde reporting team? Y’all could call in reports and commentary we could add to episodes and post blog articles about it. What do you think about that?

      On the membership thought, awesome ideas!

      We hadn’t even thought about offering the streaming. We’d only considered the packaged downloads of past seasons. I’m making a note now to figure out the best way to do this. It might be a webpage with all the episodes listed with the web player. Or it might be a private members only feed. Orrrr… we could do both.

      The streaming page would be easy. It’s the private access feed I’d have to figure out how to do.

      We’ve been kicking around the idea of adding monthly “Fire Side” chats at the higher membership level. Essentially one big group video chat. However, the private chat idea is a cool one. Making a note of that one too.

      Awesome ideas, Shep. Thanks.

      Big love back at’cha!

      • Shep April 22, 2015 at 1:09 pm - Reply

        Thanks for the reply,

        Sounds great. I’d be happy to chip in/email in some meaty I for you can digest, or ‘call in’ some input.
        By the time season 5 kicks off we’ll have had our general election and know who’s ‘ruling’ the country for the coming years. We’ll either be as screwed as we are now, or a little more screwed by current suggestions.
        Our lack of access to ‘weaponry’, the fact that living off-grid has become almost impossible here withou more work than you can imagine, and that we.’re tied in financially to more stuff than we can get out of, is making for some interesting news.

        I’m currently finishing off an INCH/BOB as well, which differs so hugely from every US resource, as well as your own, besides the obvious (food/water/shelter), that an insight into surviving the wilderness here in the UK might be an interesting comparison.

        I have very good friends in Australia who would have a drastically different setup again.

        As for the membership… I think streaming would be amazing, and means it’s all accessible on the go when out and about via smartphones etc. details to work out, but it’s rock. I’d be in!


  4. Jason April 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm - Reply

    Love the international idea! I could reach out to my New Zealand and India contacts. Its so important to develop a communication ne work from the “trenches”. Our local goverments scrub way too much… we should discuss HAM contacts as well as a back up network.

  5. Kevin Burkett April 29, 2015 at 12:28 pm - Reply

    I’m loving the app idea. Easy for me to say since I’m wouldn’t be the one coding it, but access to prepping tips, documents, past shows, forums, etc…. I’d be willing to drop a few extra bucks for additional content/premium access. I’m a newcomer to ITRH so accessing past shows is very appealing to me – have a lot to catch up on!

    • Aaron Frankel April 30, 2015 at 11:31 pm - Reply

      Thanks for the input, Kevin. Great suggestions. Not sure the app will happen soon. But the rest of this is very doable.

  6. Buffy April 29, 2015 at 1:39 pm - Reply

    Membership is cool, and I’ll join, but you really need sponsors to help pay the bills. We’re preppers, we buy stuff.

    • Aaron Frankel April 30, 2015 at 11:32 pm - Reply

      Hey Buffy! Yeah, we’re trying to avoid sponsors for now. But we’ll probably revisit this in 6 months.

  7. JC April 29, 2015 at 10:34 pm - Reply

    Membership and an App are good ideas. I’d like a way for others in the same county/city a method of being able to contact each other for a meet and greet and possibly beyond. As a single guy living in the ‘boonies’, it’s hard to find others interested in the same subject(s). I haven’t tried ‘Appleseed’, but those events are far and few between around here in central, VA. In a SHTF situation, going at it alone is setting yourself up for failure. Being able to get in contact or meet up with listeners/members of the ‘Roaving Hoarde’ would help everyone before and or during a scenario.

    • Aaron Frankel April 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm - Reply

      JC, that’s a great point about giving people a way to connect offline. Maybe we could figure out a way to support the formation of MAG groups in different areas. Thinking on this. We’ll see what we can come up with. Great idea.

  8. ITRH Fan May 1, 2015 at 8:15 am - Reply

    I’ve listened to every podcast. It’s good to hear that next season you’ll try to get back to your roots.
    Regarding a membership model, please consider alternatives. Funding a website isn’t my area of expertise. But there are numerous other podcasts that don’t require a fee. Here are just a few of the others to which I’ve listened: The Survival Podcast with Jack Spirko, America’s Test Kitchen Radio (americastestkitchen.com/radio/), Security Now (twit.tv/show/security-now). Would it be possible for you to get in touch with the folks who run those web sites to learn how they cover their expenses?

    • Aaron Frankel May 1, 2015 at 12:25 pm - Reply

      Hey ITRH Fan.

      Actually, TSP does have a similar membership program. Or more appropriately put, we’ll have a supporting membership program similar in some ways to Jack’s. (This is the primary way TSP is supported financially–from what I understand.)

      The difference here is that we’ll probably be offering multiple levels and focus more on providing additional content, how tos, resources, classes, and tools.

      ITRH is NOT going to a member’s only model. The current 24 episodes will remain open to the public and accessible through the site, iTunes, Stitcher, and Android apps.

      The ITRH supporting membership program WILL be about providing extra content, services, and access to the archived show catalogue.

      Hope that clears things up.

  9. paris May 1, 2015 at 3:24 pm - Reply

    Aaron, how about a package that would include a “Day at the Range” with Aaron. Or bring your “BOB” night.


    • Aaron Frankel May 1, 2015 at 4:06 pm - Reply

      Paris! Good to hear from you, bro. It’s been too long.

      Jason and I were just talking about this recently. We’re going to plan an local ITRH meet-up in the next couple of weeks and we’ll be sure to include you.

      • Sam May 2, 2015 at 11:08 pm - Reply

        Would love to meet up with a group.

  10. Daniel May 2, 2015 at 12:24 pm - Reply

    Really like the show but you need to make roving horde shirts. I believe I mentioned this before and I am still waiting for them. I need a shirt because all the cool podcast have them. You guys a very entertaining and my kids like to listen as well. Can’t wait for the next season and I would be more than happy to pay you money so you can start the roving horde armada.

    • Aaron Frankel May 2, 2015 at 1:06 pm - Reply

      I promise we’ll bring shirts back early season 5. Sound good?

  11. Keith May 2, 2015 at 2:58 pm - Reply

    You guys have talked about general philosophy of survival some but how about the general social rules of a Shepard and a “preparedness flock” or group in a shtf situation. I’ve always found stories of the successes and failures of these situations interesting. such as the stories of groups in Bosnia surviving, or New Orleans after Katrina and stories from the superdome.
    great show all the stuff you all do is awesome!

    • Aaron Frankel May 3, 2015 at 10:08 am - Reply

      Howdy Keith. The “ITRH summer shorts” will mostly be about expanding on the concept of a Good Shepherd. That was the the plan. So looks like we’re all in sync here 😉

  12. Keith May 2, 2015 at 3:00 pm - Reply

    Oh, and as for the membership program…

    • Aaron Frankel May 3, 2015 at 10:09 am - Reply

      Haha. Love the enthusiasm! We’re going to make sure we’re giving y’all something really great before we just take people’s money.

  13. Sam May 2, 2015 at 11:06 pm - Reply

    Classes sound like a great idea.

    • Aaron Frankel May 3, 2015 at 10:24 am - Reply

      Glad to hear you like this idea, Sam. We’ve been working on some ideas for classes for a while. Looking forward to making them a reality for y’all.

  14. mike romeo May 3, 2015 at 7:22 am - Reply

    it wouldn’t take much to put a governor on the water and power and then we’re sittin’ around the fort trying to keep our powder dry….all alone. When the internet gets completely stifled there will be no chattin’. maybe y’all have figured a way to keep comm. lines open but if not maybe as a group we could solve some problems that may arise before they do. monetize it boys……I’m in!

    • Aaron Frankel May 3, 2015 at 10:22 am - Reply

      Looks like building in a way to support local Roving Horde groups is a big one for folks. So we’re working on this. Oddly enough, I do have experience setting up a large system that facilitates a global network of local based “mastermind” groups. We’ll have to see how big we can grow this thing. Building out the backend for something like this is doable, but complicated. However, I’m down for building it!

      The coms down thing is a big one. Jason, Jonathan, and myself wrestled with it for a while. The best solution we’ve come up with so far is HAM. However, we are exploring some other ideas as well and will talk about them as soon as we can find a way to “Ungeek” them.

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