E38: Project Appleseed

E38: Project Appleseed

Hosts Aaron and Jonathan are joined by Scout of Project Appleseed. Scout gives listeners the ins and outs of what we consider the best traditional marksmanship instruction in the country.

Whether you are a new shooter, a seasoned hunter, or tactically trained, Appleseed will teach you something and improve your rifle skills. However, Project Appleseeds rifle marksmanship instruction is only a piece of the lessons learned. Attendees also learn about early American History, what a true rifleman (or woman) is, and meet some amazing quality people along the way.

Project Appleseed attendees come from all walks of life and political backgrounds. It’s a place for learning and community building.

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Topics:

  • What Project Appleseed is.
  • What Project Appleseed is NOT.
  • Who can attend and what it costs.
  • Political Affiliations
  • American History
  • Patriotic Duties
  • Personal Responsibility

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By | 2016-10-15T00:12:15+00:00 October 10th, 2011|Survival Skills, Urban Survival Podcast Episodes|7 Comments

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In his free time, Aaron enjoys hogging the remote, surfing, scotch, mental masturbation and debate over philosophical topics, and shooting stuff--usually not all at the same time.

7 Comments

  1. K E Kitchens October 14, 2011 at 2:28 pm - Reply

    I’ve been thinking about the best forum to discuss this, and had decided not to until I heard the podcast today. My personal experience at an Appleseed shoot last week in Afton was 180 degrees from your guest’s description. I heard about the program, loved the concept, and wrangled my two adult sons (who have little interest in our heritage) into attending with me. I expected amateur instruction, knowing it’s staffed by volunteers, but the tone of the instruction and corrections on the line frankly reminded me of bad wannabe gym instructors from high school. My son had one instructor grabbing his hand during a timed shoot to change his grip, and then had an instructor laugh at him when his strap buckle kept slipping off the swivel rather than helping him. The history speeches were so poorly rendered that a couple of the staff fell asleep listening, while I ground my teeth at these guys making a subject I’m passionate about deadly boring for my sons. Lastly, we made the rookie mistake of showing up with 795 Marlin .22’s straight out of the box, and they ran terribly on the line. When we told the instructors we were leaving at 4:30 since we had no chance of scoring well on the AQT, my sons got repeated comments from the staff that we were “a bunch of Nancys” for leaving early. (Fortunately this was out of my earshot, and my sons restrained me from driving back when they told me to offfer my personal invitation to repeat it to me.) I couldn’t DRAG my sons back on Sunday, since their comments were “forget them” (in slightly more colorful language).
    To give credit where it is due, some of the staff were very helpful, obviously knowledgeable, and the kind of people your guest described. They simply didn’t seem to be in command. The range safety was impeccable, and we all learned something about safety and shooting straight. For a family of three novice shooters showing up though, I frankly think it actually inserted a hurdle to entering the shooting sports for myself and my sons instead of the welcome I hoped for. The bottom line was we all were relieved to not go back, though I paid for a membership for all three of us up front.
    Just a cautionary note that in a volunteer organization, keep in mind the old saying, “your milage may vary”.

    • Aaron Frankel October 14, 2011 at 3:44 pm - Reply

      Now that is not the Appleseed I know and love. I am going to contact you directly to find out when and where you were so it can be passed up the chain. That kind of behavior from instructors can NOT be tolerated or let to continue.

      • K E Kitchens October 14, 2011 at 7:23 pm - Reply

        Certainly, though I’ve already passed this on. Email me and I’ll copy you with the email I sent the state coordinator, and any reply I get as well. With all the good things I’ve heard I’m sure our experience was not typical. The program is good enough that I intend to try again elsewhere in the state. My sons, however, are definitely through.
        Kit

  2. Gillian Fryer October 27, 2011 at 2:02 pm - Reply

    Dear Mr. Kitchens,

    Your post and your letter to the OK State Coordinator are not being taken lightly at Appleseed. As a Senior Instructor and SW Regional Coordinator, I sincerely apologize for the insensitive treatment you and your family received. I don’t know what exactly happened, but the fact that you were so upset as to write several official letters is enough for me to see that we need improvement.

    Each event has its own set of instructors and it therefore develops its own character, so, while the core teaching elements remain similar, the feel of the event may vary considerably. We also have instructors with varying degrees of teaching and Appleseed experience, so those events will be quite different. I am disappointed that you did not expect much from our instructors because they were volunteers; we have personally been told that our events are better than any shooting school in the country, regardless of price.

    Equipment issues are part of the learning experience when shooting under field conditions — guns that don’t jamb at a bench, will do so off your body. I can tell you that a Marlin 795 has a propensity to malfunction if your forward support hand touches the exposed magazine. Just avoiding that pitfall may make your shooting experience more enjoyable, and I hope you share that tidbit with your sons.

    Teling history is hard: it requires an intimate knowledge of the material, a caring for the people involved and self-confidence speaking in public. Most of us are somewhere along that path. The best instructors are passionate about the history and why it is important to teach each generation about the value of being American and of the tremendous risks that individuals took in order to forge this country.

    Please consider coming to another Appleseed! I do not personally know the instructors in your area, but I can vouch for Colorado and New Mexico as having a great group of instructors. You are more than welcome at my favorite venue at the NRA Whittington Center in Raton, NM.; events there start back up in February 2012. There are events all through the winter in both Colorado and Texas, in fact, there is an Appleseed every weekend somewhere in the country… come rain or shine… or snow.

    So what is the point of Appleseed? To teach a skill, one that made America’s independence possible. To teach the discipline required of making a Rifleman score and to realize the responsibilities attendant to that achievement. To learn and appreciate the history that birthed our nation and to learn from that history, and in so doing, regain a sense of pride in our Nation and take responsibility for her future. To share what we learn with as many people as possible.

    Sincerely,

    Gillian Fryer

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